Lots of people are pulling for monarch butterflies to make a comeback. But the numbers from the Thanksgiving count of last fall show a continued decline in monarch numbers in California.
And that's despite the counters making it to more locations.
The Thanksgiving count is now in its third decade, and the overall trend has been consistently downward... even though more and more people are creating monarch-friendly gardens and waystations.
Emma Pelton leads the monarch program at the Portland-based Xerces Society.
She gives us the specific numbers and likely reasons for them.